a relatively new topic that seems to be gaining steam...has the church become too girly for men?
got some great insights from a friend: Matt Frey's Blog
Monday, August 31, 2009
Saturday, August 22, 2009
summarizing the challenges young men face today
worked further on the challenges that young men face in our culture today. summarized into this thesis:
young men in our culture have a weak foundation or no foundation at all that allows them to be discerning and wise.
the problem summed up into one word: CONFUSION.
the 3 areas in the last post could be categorized under this confusion. young men in our culture are confused about:
1. IDENTITY
2. PURITY
3. AUTHORITY
the last of these challenges is ultimately the reason for all the confusion, as i already explained in the last post...because there is no emphasis on the authority of God's Word young men will be progressively more confused over issues of identity, purity, authority and more...
and therefore they have a weak foundation or no foundation at all for being discerning and wise!
young men in our culture have a weak foundation or no foundation at all that allows them to be discerning and wise.
the problem summed up into one word: CONFUSION.
the 3 areas in the last post could be categorized under this confusion. young men in our culture are confused about:
1. IDENTITY
2. PURITY
3. AUTHORITY
the last of these challenges is ultimately the reason for all the confusion, as i already explained in the last post...because there is no emphasis on the authority of God's Word young men will be progressively more confused over issues of identity, purity, authority and more...
and therefore they have a weak foundation or no foundation at all for being discerning and wise!
Thursday, August 20, 2009
challenges young men face in our culture today
speaking at a men's breakfast at our church on saturday morning @ the challenges that youth face today and how they can help them.
interesting topic that could be extremely broad...so i think i'll choose to focus primarily on young men. what are the challenges that young men face today in our culture and how can the older men of our churches reach out and help?
so let me attempt to summarize the biggest challenges young men (specifically teenagers) face in our culture today:
1. IDENTITY :: a multifaceted challenge, but probably can all be tied to the confusion of a man's role in society...which specifically has led to the muddied understandings about work and relationships.
let me expound for a minute on what i'm trying to communicate here:
a. work. simply stated, guys don't know how to work hard because our culture has taught us to look for the greatest return for the least amount of work. not that we had to learn it from our culture...our culture has just played to our immature and selfish tendencies and given us the green light to act upon them and align our expectations with them. as a result we've lost an appreciation for the Law of Sowing & Reaping (that you will reap what you sow). in fact, it's often seen in an individual's mindset that it is totally unfair that he would ever have to experience consequences for his actions. we have a gimme mindset that's offended by those who would require us to work for it. (i see a similar attitude in "junior" who throws a tantrum when he doesn't get what he wants or when he's forced into "time out" when he goes against what he's told) as a result, our culture is experiencing an identity crises because we have men acting like little boys, which is also complicated by...
b. relationships. call it what you want ("feminism", "liberalism" or whatever!), but let's face it, our culture and society is confusing men as to what their roles are as men. whether it's in the work place, in the home or wherever men have trouble finding their place. it is no longer an issue of women just tired of men not stepping up to be men and therefore filling the void...it is now the agenda of many to promote and propagate the idea to the level of common sense that there is no difference between men and women (other than a few anatomical difference...but even that can be addressed). so what's the role of a man in the work place? or what's his role in the family?
now let me say, that i understand that this is not the commonly held view among all...and it may just be the voices that ring out the loudest. but i don't believe it can be denied that this thinking at least has an impacting effect on our concept of what it means to be a man today. just ask your pastor to preach on submission in the home...just the mention of the subject and you'll feel the tension stronger than electrically charged bumper cars (and men start to look at the floor)!
and one more factor that contributes to the confusion of relationships as a guy: it's tough knowing how a man is supposed to have a relationship with another man. stop!! read that sentence again. did you bristle at all at how i formed that sentence? can i just say that that's exactly the point i'm trying to convey here. our culture has made us paranoid as guys about what is "gay" and what is not. just reading a sentence about men having relationships with other men sounds suspicious to us! we're constantly on guard about coming across as gay. we don't want to hug another dude. we don't want to wear tight jeans. we don't want to say, "i love you, man" or any other form of appreciation or affection (even using the word "affection" right there somehow sounds wrong...even though the dictionary's definition deems it appropriate). do you see what i'm trying to say? the outspoken nature of the homosexual community has created a large wake of homophobic activity and responses that impacts how we joke around with anybody or relate to any other guy at all! and again, it's just a factor that muddies the concept of identity as a man.
now i'm not claiming to be an expert at analyzing our culture (i'm certainly no anthropolgist), but i'm a guy making observations about what it means to be a guy in my culture today. and i believe there are other guys that struggle with these issues or are at least effected by them whether they could articulate them or not (or whether they even realize it or not).
identity can be a huge struggle for young men in our culture today.
2. PURITY :: this one can almost go without saying. but our culture's acceptance and accessibility to inappropriate sexual content and activity continues to have a profound impact on young men today. it is especially dangerous for Christian young men, because i have yet to encounter any guy who claims to know the Lord that isn't ashamed of sexual immorality or even "hints" of it. shame and pride can be a extremely dangerous combo. we're ashamed of our struggle, and too prideful to come clean and be held accountable. Satan is smart. he knows that he can get a bunch of Christian guys hooked on stuff who will be afraid to come out, say it and get help. pride and fear of consequences often causes men to miss out on freedom and forgiveness.
let's face it, we're guys. we do NOT have to be overcome by sexual sin and purity issues, but as long as our culture continues to promote impurity and push it in our faces it will be a challenge for young men.
3. AUTHORITY :: what is authority? where does it come from? and how do i respond to it?
or maybe some guys would just simply ask, "why should i listen to you?". those who ask that question may be a little more cynical, and aren't guys supposed to have an issue with authority anyway? (but there i go assuming cultural identity & stereotypes) there's a whole philosophy of thinking that some would label "postmodern" that challenges even the existence of authority...which of course pragmatically breaks down as soon as you are looking for a new job because you tried to explain to your boss that there are no absolutes and therefore rules cannot be expectations.
but i would argue that most young men are a little more sensitive than many would give them credit for, and they're searching for answers. they're really crying out, "who should i listen to?!?!"
and the problem is that there are not enough men telling them to listen to the Word of God.
we've got all sorts of worldviews that are contrary to the Truth of the Bible that are regularly communicated to young men. our education system and the media are constantly bombarding our minds with messages that oppose God's standards and character. and unfortunately, even Christians can be guilty of promoting values and philosophies that are unbiblical at times.
and when God is not the ultimate authority that we WANT & NEED to listen to, we will have problems. we need absolute truth. and that TRUTH is found in God's Word.
here's the deal, in my experience, guys WANT answers! they want help. they want someone to guide them through these challenges that they face. in fact, it's also been my experience, that young men are often the most receptive to listening to the truth found in the Bible. they are at a critical point in their lives. they are beginning to understand that the decisions they make right now will have a drastic effect on the rest of their lives, and because of confusion and simply being naive and unexperienced they are ripe for answers and guidance.
they need a healthy sense of authority...and that authority is an absolute and ultimate Authority who loved them enough to die for their sins to be in a right relationship with them, who cares for them, is in absolute control and wants what is best for them.
the challenge is listening to that Authority.
so there's my stab at summing up some of the challenges that face young Christian men in our culture today. i'm sure there are more, or that someone could sum up better than i...but in either case i hope the Church will commit to reaching these young men and supporting them with love and truth through these challenges to help them grow into mature spiritual leaders capable of passing on the legacy.
sounds like a good discussion...
interesting topic that could be extremely broad...so i think i'll choose to focus primarily on young men. what are the challenges that young men face today in our culture and how can the older men of our churches reach out and help?
so let me attempt to summarize the biggest challenges young men (specifically teenagers) face in our culture today:
1. IDENTITY :: a multifaceted challenge, but probably can all be tied to the confusion of a man's role in society...which specifically has led to the muddied understandings about work and relationships.
let me expound for a minute on what i'm trying to communicate here:
a. work. simply stated, guys don't know how to work hard because our culture has taught us to look for the greatest return for the least amount of work. not that we had to learn it from our culture...our culture has just played to our immature and selfish tendencies and given us the green light to act upon them and align our expectations with them. as a result we've lost an appreciation for the Law of Sowing & Reaping (that you will reap what you sow). in fact, it's often seen in an individual's mindset that it is totally unfair that he would ever have to experience consequences for his actions. we have a gimme mindset that's offended by those who would require us to work for it. (i see a similar attitude in "junior" who throws a tantrum when he doesn't get what he wants or when he's forced into "time out" when he goes against what he's told) as a result, our culture is experiencing an identity crises because we have men acting like little boys, which is also complicated by...
b. relationships. call it what you want ("feminism", "liberalism" or whatever!), but let's face it, our culture and society is confusing men as to what their roles are as men. whether it's in the work place, in the home or wherever men have trouble finding their place. it is no longer an issue of women just tired of men not stepping up to be men and therefore filling the void...it is now the agenda of many to promote and propagate the idea to the level of common sense that there is no difference between men and women (other than a few anatomical difference...but even that can be addressed). so what's the role of a man in the work place? or what's his role in the family?
now let me say, that i understand that this is not the commonly held view among all...and it may just be the voices that ring out the loudest. but i don't believe it can be denied that this thinking at least has an impacting effect on our concept of what it means to be a man today. just ask your pastor to preach on submission in the home...just the mention of the subject and you'll feel the tension stronger than electrically charged bumper cars (and men start to look at the floor)!
and one more factor that contributes to the confusion of relationships as a guy: it's tough knowing how a man is supposed to have a relationship with another man. stop!! read that sentence again. did you bristle at all at how i formed that sentence? can i just say that that's exactly the point i'm trying to convey here. our culture has made us paranoid as guys about what is "gay" and what is not. just reading a sentence about men having relationships with other men sounds suspicious to us! we're constantly on guard about coming across as gay. we don't want to hug another dude. we don't want to wear tight jeans. we don't want to say, "i love you, man" or any other form of appreciation or affection (even using the word "affection" right there somehow sounds wrong...even though the dictionary's definition deems it appropriate). do you see what i'm trying to say? the outspoken nature of the homosexual community has created a large wake of homophobic activity and responses that impacts how we joke around with anybody or relate to any other guy at all! and again, it's just a factor that muddies the concept of identity as a man.
now i'm not claiming to be an expert at analyzing our culture (i'm certainly no anthropolgist), but i'm a guy making observations about what it means to be a guy in my culture today. and i believe there are other guys that struggle with these issues or are at least effected by them whether they could articulate them or not (or whether they even realize it or not).
identity can be a huge struggle for young men in our culture today.
2. PURITY :: this one can almost go without saying. but our culture's acceptance and accessibility to inappropriate sexual content and activity continues to have a profound impact on young men today. it is especially dangerous for Christian young men, because i have yet to encounter any guy who claims to know the Lord that isn't ashamed of sexual immorality or even "hints" of it. shame and pride can be a extremely dangerous combo. we're ashamed of our struggle, and too prideful to come clean and be held accountable. Satan is smart. he knows that he can get a bunch of Christian guys hooked on stuff who will be afraid to come out, say it and get help. pride and fear of consequences often causes men to miss out on freedom and forgiveness.
let's face it, we're guys. we do NOT have to be overcome by sexual sin and purity issues, but as long as our culture continues to promote impurity and push it in our faces it will be a challenge for young men.
3. AUTHORITY :: what is authority? where does it come from? and how do i respond to it?
or maybe some guys would just simply ask, "why should i listen to you?". those who ask that question may be a little more cynical, and aren't guys supposed to have an issue with authority anyway? (but there i go assuming cultural identity & stereotypes) there's a whole philosophy of thinking that some would label "postmodern" that challenges even the existence of authority...which of course pragmatically breaks down as soon as you are looking for a new job because you tried to explain to your boss that there are no absolutes and therefore rules cannot be expectations.
but i would argue that most young men are a little more sensitive than many would give them credit for, and they're searching for answers. they're really crying out, "who should i listen to?!?!"
and the problem is that there are not enough men telling them to listen to the Word of God.
we've got all sorts of worldviews that are contrary to the Truth of the Bible that are regularly communicated to young men. our education system and the media are constantly bombarding our minds with messages that oppose God's standards and character. and unfortunately, even Christians can be guilty of promoting values and philosophies that are unbiblical at times.
and when God is not the ultimate authority that we WANT & NEED to listen to, we will have problems. we need absolute truth. and that TRUTH is found in God's Word.
here's the deal, in my experience, guys WANT answers! they want help. they want someone to guide them through these challenges that they face. in fact, it's also been my experience, that young men are often the most receptive to listening to the truth found in the Bible. they are at a critical point in their lives. they are beginning to understand that the decisions they make right now will have a drastic effect on the rest of their lives, and because of confusion and simply being naive and unexperienced they are ripe for answers and guidance.
they need a healthy sense of authority...and that authority is an absolute and ultimate Authority who loved them enough to die for their sins to be in a right relationship with them, who cares for them, is in absolute control and wants what is best for them.
the challenge is listening to that Authority.
so there's my stab at summing up some of the challenges that face young Christian men in our culture today. i'm sure there are more, or that someone could sum up better than i...but in either case i hope the Church will commit to reaching these young men and supporting them with love and truth through these challenges to help them grow into mature spiritual leaders capable of passing on the legacy.
sounds like a good discussion...
Wednesday, July 1, 2009
forgive our generation!
there are certain memories that draw you back into your childhood and stir up the excitement of being a kid again. the world was more simple when you were a kid, and sometimes it's relaxing and enchanting to just escape back into the days of imagination and wonder...when toys and tv filled your mind with fantasy and adventure. sometimes you'd pay anything to go back and be a kid again.
and hollywood knows it.
over the past few years the movie industry has seen an epidemic of remakes from the old days. nothing escapes the camera that retains any reminiscence of favorite characters, toy, books or stories from our lifetime. just look at the upcoming blockbuster list and you'll see something that's intending to make you say, oh, wow! there making a movie out of that? i remember that from when i was little! it seems everyone wants to relive the past, but with more mature themes enhance by CGI and special effects. it's like our childhood never grew up.
but the obsession with revisiting our immaturity as kids has a price! especially when the more "mature" versions don't seem to have truly matured. some of the movies that are based out of childrens' shows of long ago seem to have lost anything of real value to children and are replaced by immoral material reflective of our current culture. it's like sesame street meets mtv.
the latest attempt to lure in young viewers is paramounts' "transformers 2: rise of the fallen" directed by michael bay. the film has grossed $390.4 million in over 5 days. apparently there is a huge fan base. and although the movie doesn't seem to be generating positive reviews here in the united states, it apparently has all the elements of a movie that our generation wants to see.
which makes me sick to my stomach.
some of you may be of the generation where the power rangers ruled supreme, but you see, transformers was from mine. truthfully, i never really got into the transformers...i was much more of a lego and g.i.joe kind of guy (which coincidentally, this transformers flick featured a preview for the new movie soon to be release, "g.i.joe: the rise of cobra", further proving my point that our generation can't get over their childhood).
this movie was aimed at my generation. and this is what my generation wants to see. this is what my generation has become.
i couldn't even finish the movie. i left the theater, having wasted $8.75 (a rip off in small-town indiana), with a growing anger burning in my heart. i blame paramount and i blame michael bay for the all the crass humor and gross sexual content scattered throughout the film, but i fear that they were simply giving the audience what it asks for. i'm more concerned that this movie embodies what my generation wants.
now why would i pick this movie to go after? there wasn't an explicit sex scene (at least none that i saw as i was forced to hide my eyes from the screen). the movie toys with the freedom and fun of college life...and all the immorality that goes with it. i know there are other movies that are blatantly more focused on twisting and indulging in sexual content, but my issue is that this was supposed to thrill my generation with a chance to enjoy a piece of our childhood again. i wonder what was going through the minds of those involved in making this movie. they knew a whole generation of young men would flock to see their old boyhood friends blowing up the decepticons, but they also must have known that a whole generation of young men really want to see girls and nudity along with their cars and robots.
that's what makes me sick.
my generation is a generation of young men enthralled with immaturity and immorality.
Father, forgive my generation. forgive us of our base and indecent lust for the things of this world. forgive us for distorting Your beautiful gift of sexuality. raise up a generation of young men who will put off the old self, "which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires" and "put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness." (eph. 4:22-24) we need Your wisdom and strength to navigate the treacherous waters of our culture and be blameless and innocent so that we "shine as lights in the world" (phil 2:15).
i wish i'd gone across the hall to see "up"...
and hollywood knows it.
over the past few years the movie industry has seen an epidemic of remakes from the old days. nothing escapes the camera that retains any reminiscence of favorite characters, toy, books or stories from our lifetime. just look at the upcoming blockbuster list and you'll see something that's intending to make you say, oh, wow! there making a movie out of that? i remember that from when i was little! it seems everyone wants to relive the past, but with more mature themes enhance by CGI and special effects. it's like our childhood never grew up.
but the obsession with revisiting our immaturity as kids has a price! especially when the more "mature" versions don't seem to have truly matured. some of the movies that are based out of childrens' shows of long ago seem to have lost anything of real value to children and are replaced by immoral material reflective of our current culture. it's like sesame street meets mtv.
the latest attempt to lure in young viewers is paramounts' "transformers 2: rise of the fallen" directed by michael bay. the film has grossed $390.4 million in over 5 days. apparently there is a huge fan base. and although the movie doesn't seem to be generating positive reviews here in the united states, it apparently has all the elements of a movie that our generation wants to see.
which makes me sick to my stomach.
some of you may be of the generation where the power rangers ruled supreme, but you see, transformers was from mine. truthfully, i never really got into the transformers...i was much more of a lego and g.i.joe kind of guy (which coincidentally, this transformers flick featured a preview for the new movie soon to be release, "g.i.joe: the rise of cobra", further proving my point that our generation can't get over their childhood).
this movie was aimed at my generation. and this is what my generation wants to see. this is what my generation has become.
i couldn't even finish the movie. i left the theater, having wasted $8.75 (a rip off in small-town indiana), with a growing anger burning in my heart. i blame paramount and i blame michael bay for the all the crass humor and gross sexual content scattered throughout the film, but i fear that they were simply giving the audience what it asks for. i'm more concerned that this movie embodies what my generation wants.
now why would i pick this movie to go after? there wasn't an explicit sex scene (at least none that i saw as i was forced to hide my eyes from the screen). the movie toys with the freedom and fun of college life...and all the immorality that goes with it. i know there are other movies that are blatantly more focused on twisting and indulging in sexual content, but my issue is that this was supposed to thrill my generation with a chance to enjoy a piece of our childhood again. i wonder what was going through the minds of those involved in making this movie. they knew a whole generation of young men would flock to see their old boyhood friends blowing up the decepticons, but they also must have known that a whole generation of young men really want to see girls and nudity along with their cars and robots.
that's what makes me sick.
my generation is a generation of young men enthralled with immaturity and immorality.
Father, forgive my generation. forgive us of our base and indecent lust for the things of this world. forgive us for distorting Your beautiful gift of sexuality. raise up a generation of young men who will put off the old self, "which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires" and "put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness." (eph. 4:22-24) we need Your wisdom and strength to navigate the treacherous waters of our culture and be blameless and innocent so that we "shine as lights in the world" (phil 2:15).
i wish i'd gone across the hall to see "up"...
Monday, June 29, 2009
leave the culture out of it!
what does it take to be a man? what makes a man manly?
there are so many cultural connotations to these questions. in fact, as soon as the questions are asked you probably saw images of ripped, gruff & tough guys from some truck commercial racing through your mind. it's almost impossible to give a definition of what it means to be a man without being influenced by our culture (and particularly the media).
but who can answer these questions?
unfortunately we've settled for the definitions we've been given. stereotypes that are assumed. we're told who we are...or at least, who we should be if we want to be anybody. but even more unfortunate than that is the confusion we seem to get from those who call the shots. commercials, youtube videos, movies and tv shows are constantly sending mixed messages that can be extremely confusing and frustrating for young men trying to grow up to be real men. one minute they say men are funny, lazy slobs excused from immaturity because of raging hormones. the next minute we've got to have it all together with a successful job, power suit and gorgeous girls hanging off of each arm. and then a few minutes later they throw in men who are confident in their alternative sexual lifestyles. which is it? pick an option. or just stayed confused...
which is just symptomatic of the most unfortunate consequence of our culture's influence on our thinking: the fact that we look to our culture at all for answers and trust them to lead us in the right direction of manhood.
can our culture really answer the question of what it means to be a man?
i hope you see how relative the answer becomes if they do, because each culture will answer it differently. from a cultural standpoint being a man means something entirely different in india then it does in the united states. and you could most likely make a case for it being different in any other country or region of the world.
so what is the standard? where do we get the answers?
if we're going to learn what it truly means to be man, then we look no further than the Creator of man Himself! He alone can tell us what it truly means to be a man and what is manly.
His answers are the truth we need to become men who live on purpose...for the purpose we were created for. so when the question is asked, "what does it mean to be a man?", leave the culture out of it and turn to the Word of God.
let me leave you with a few thoughts from His Word that begin our quest in biblical anthropology:
1. man is created in the image of God. (genesis 1:26,27)
2. we were created for His glory (colossians 1:16)
3. all men are sinners that fall short of His glory (romans 3:23)
4. we are redeemed by faith in Jesus Christ (romans 3:24-26)
5. we were created to serve Him (eph. 2:10; 2 Tim.3:17)
these truths are hidden from man apart from divine revelation (1 corinthians 2:14-16; matthew 11:27). so stop looking for truth in the dumpster of the media. don't turn to the blind "experts" of psychology, sociology or science that separate our existence from an Almighty Creator.
do you wanna be a man?
then become a man of God's Word! it's your source of truth, and you can trust it!
there are so many cultural connotations to these questions. in fact, as soon as the questions are asked you probably saw images of ripped, gruff & tough guys from some truck commercial racing through your mind. it's almost impossible to give a definition of what it means to be a man without being influenced by our culture (and particularly the media).
but who can answer these questions?
unfortunately we've settled for the definitions we've been given. stereotypes that are assumed. we're told who we are...or at least, who we should be if we want to be anybody. but even more unfortunate than that is the confusion we seem to get from those who call the shots. commercials, youtube videos, movies and tv shows are constantly sending mixed messages that can be extremely confusing and frustrating for young men trying to grow up to be real men. one minute they say men are funny, lazy slobs excused from immaturity because of raging hormones. the next minute we've got to have it all together with a successful job, power suit and gorgeous girls hanging off of each arm. and then a few minutes later they throw in men who are confident in their alternative sexual lifestyles. which is it? pick an option. or just stayed confused...
which is just symptomatic of the most unfortunate consequence of our culture's influence on our thinking: the fact that we look to our culture at all for answers and trust them to lead us in the right direction of manhood.
can our culture really answer the question of what it means to be a man?
i hope you see how relative the answer becomes if they do, because each culture will answer it differently. from a cultural standpoint being a man means something entirely different in india then it does in the united states. and you could most likely make a case for it being different in any other country or region of the world.
so what is the standard? where do we get the answers?
if we're going to learn what it truly means to be man, then we look no further than the Creator of man Himself! He alone can tell us what it truly means to be a man and what is manly.
His answers are the truth we need to become men who live on purpose...for the purpose we were created for. so when the question is asked, "what does it mean to be a man?", leave the culture out of it and turn to the Word of God.
let me leave you with a few thoughts from His Word that begin our quest in biblical anthropology:
1. man is created in the image of God. (genesis 1:26,27)
2. we were created for His glory (colossians 1:16)
3. all men are sinners that fall short of His glory (romans 3:23)
4. we are redeemed by faith in Jesus Christ (romans 3:24-26)
5. we were created to serve Him (eph. 2:10; 2 Tim.3:17)
these truths are hidden from man apart from divine revelation (1 corinthians 2:14-16; matthew 11:27). so stop looking for truth in the dumpster of the media. don't turn to the blind "experts" of psychology, sociology or science that separate our existence from an Almighty Creator.
do you wanna be a man?
then become a man of God's Word! it's your source of truth, and you can trust it!
Tuesday, June 23, 2009
a manly stereotype?
ok, guys, in order for this to be effective i need your help in giving your best answer and spreading the word about this blog for other guys to read and respond. so give me your feedback and give another dude the link to this site.
click on the "comments" below...and then you can click on the "email post" and send it to someone else! the more involved in the discussion the better. i'll follow up in a few days after the discussion gets rolling.
answer this: What makes a man MANLY? Does he have to fit a stereotype (i.e. rough, tough, built like the Hulk, unemotional, etc.)?
click on the "comments" below...and then you can click on the "email post" and send it to someone else! the more involved in the discussion the better. i'll follow up in a few days after the discussion gets rolling.
answer this: What makes a man MANLY? Does he have to fit a stereotype (i.e. rough, tough, built like the Hulk, unemotional, etc.)?
Monday, June 22, 2009
Father's Day challenge
pastor terry's message yesterday on passing the baton was especially challenging to Dad's on their way to become godly men and fathers...
Terry Thompson's Message
Terry Thompson's Message
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